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25th Jun 2024

Mailbag #1: Weather, Queen stages and the Tour de France's hidden heroes

Bobby Julich and Jens Voigt answer your questions about weather, Queen stages and who really makes the Tour de France run!

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Speaker:

Hello

everyone, and welcome to the Odd Tandem

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special bonus features

that we're including now.

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We took on board a lot of your feedback

after our old podcast,

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and you guys wanted to hear us

answer some questions, some questions,

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and talk a little bit

more between ourselves.

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So Jensie, we got the mailbag feature.

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You ready for it?

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I am can't wait to actually see

what you know, our listeners

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and our fans and folks out there

presenting us for questions.

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So for the first time ever on camera,

we have our producer, Mark Payne,

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who is going to do the honors

of reading the questions

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and then maybe drift

a little bit into the background and let,

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Jens and I answer them as best we can.

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So hopefully these are good questions.

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We have not pre-read them.

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Mark has, put them on some little note

cards and hasn't shared them with us.

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So it'll be open and honest

and totally fun, right?

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Jensie absolutely. I'm ready.

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Okay, so yep.

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remember this will be a regular feature.

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So if you want to get a message,

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just drop us a message on

any of the Odd Tandem social media pages.

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which is something that John Richers did.

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he asks,

Mads Pedersen doesn't do altitude camp,

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but he kicks ass in sprints

and is solid in the mountains.

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Is his approach

viable for other top riders?

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Oh, I'll take that one.

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I mean, altitude training is not for

for everyone, no doubt.

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And I would say for sprinters,

even less so.

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But you know, Mads is just

a freak of nature, to tell you the truth.

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You know, I mean, you know, he trains well

and then he can get into the mountains

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and he does his work,

and then he pulls the pin and tries

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to recover

as much as is possible for the next stage.

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But I've read where he doesn't like doing

altitude training.

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Altitude training

is kind of a lonely existence.

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you're up on top of a mountain.

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You know,

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you're spending 2 or 3 weeks up there,

which is the equivalent of a grand tour.

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And it's tough to focus.

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And for a guy that doesn't really feel

that that's been benefiting him,

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he's going to have a hard time mentally.

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Yancey, I know that you came up with me

and stayed with me in Lake Tahoe.

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a couple times for altitude training.

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what's your take on on altitude training?

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Did you feel a benefit from it?

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We did

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a series of altitude training camps

with, German national team

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back in the days as an amateur, actually,

one we stayed in Colorado Springs

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and we had breakfast and lunch at the OTC

at Olympic Training Center.

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We had a Holiday Inn hotel,

I believe, and we.

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But we had, dinner and breakfast

at the OTC.

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It I didn't feel

it had the biggest benefit on me,

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but we had other gym riders like, Michael

Reich and Uwe Peschel both, I think

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at least one once a silver or bronze medal

in the individual time trial.

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And they won the Olympics

in the hudred kilometer team

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time trial in Barcelona

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they loved it

they felt the benefit from it.

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For me, not so much.

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And from my non-science

amateur on understanding

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the air is thinner in altitude.

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That's why you rolling faster

with the same power output

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and you lose muscle mass

because your body goes,

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I don't need all his muscles anymore.

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Because I move faster,

because the air thinner and muscle

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mass loss is the last thing you want.

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If you are a sprinter.

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So I maybe that might be a reason

why he doesn't like or he doesn't feel

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they help him so much

because he's he might losing muscle mass

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and therefore losing the explosive power

for the sprint.

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Yeah there's there's no doubt

I think altitude training has become

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a little bit more scientific

where you sleep high, train low

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so you can still sleep at high altitudes

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and then go down and train

basically at sea level, like in Tenerife.

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Sierra Nevada is at like 2000m

because yes, you're right.

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I'm not going to get into the total weeds

here,

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but it's actually the partial pressure

in your lungs that change.

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So you're actually,

you know, you are losing muscle mass

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and you are more dependent

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on carbohydrates when you're living

and training hard at altitude.

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So, yeah,

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staying at Colorado Springs,

that's one set of,

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you know, one type of altitude training,

but, you know, staying on the top

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of a volcano or a mountain

or one of those hyperbaric,

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hotel rooms gives you a little bit

different, more specific.

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training adaptations

where you can still work

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those different altitude bands up high,

but then you can get your really hard

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work, your your, your FRC work,

your VO2 work down at, at, at sea level

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where you have more oxygen

and then just ride back up

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and recover at altitude

to get that overall adaptation.

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But, I loved altitude.

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I was from altitude.

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I, I've done a lot of camps,

and really felt, a benefit,

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but it was always hard

once you came down from altitude,

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you needed, you know, 3 to 5 days

to really feel like you weren't

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stuck in the proverbial mud

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because you did lose some muscle mass.

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And then when you got down to, to sea

level, was pushing more, more resistance,

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it definitely felt like, you know,

you needed to build that muscle back up.

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And it it comes back

pretty quickly, actually.

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Okay.

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So next question.

This is sort of something

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that came up briefly in our conversation

with Sean Quinn.

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what are the top three things that can be

done to improve safety in the peloton?

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That's from Ken Stein.

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Oh, I'll let you take this one

here, Jensie.

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Alrighty.

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less vehicles on the road,

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more technology, more roads,

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you know, have have a drone instead of,

like, motorbikes.

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so there's more space for the riders.

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it might be unpopular,

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but I think circuit racers would be safer.

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It is easier and cheaper to remove

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every traffic island on that circuit.

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It's cheaper for TV to produce pictures

from a closed circuit.

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You could even have a double fence

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and charge a little bit of an entrance

fee on a closed circuit,

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and the riders would know the road

because you do it several times.

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So that would be another way

to improve, security.

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But cycling in our tradition is from point

A or city to city B,

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so I'm not sure if as an option, but in

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theory it could work.

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maybe

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tell the riders has to show more respect

for each other,

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you know, give a little bit of space

and don't have this attitude.

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Hey, either we both crash or you going

to break because I'm not going to break.

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So change that, attitude for the right s

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maybe sometimes, have

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let's see, have the peloton do

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an useless extra little lap

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like a circle.

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And when they are out on a little circle,

the entire caravan can pass

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so they don't have to pass the peloton.

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They pass the empty road

because the peloton is on a little extra

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loop next to the road,

so then they don't get on the same road,

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and that makes it easier and safer

for to police motorbikes.

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for the to cars of the teams

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soigneurs they pass after the feed zone

for example, mechanics

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they might want to pass, a VIP guest

they want to pass.

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So that's 50 cars can pass through

without even seeing or touching a rider.

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That would be another way.

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apart from that,

it is a very difficult question to answer.

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Yeah, let's face it.

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You know, cycling is is a dangerous sport.

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road furniture is popping up more

and more

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for for traffic control

because we are on, on open roads.

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I know

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that the sport is doing

as much as they can, but the one thing

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that I would really like to see change

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is the run ins to to the finish line

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and especially the final,

at least the final 500m.

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You know, we're seeing some sprints,

like around a corner

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and then, you know,

you can't even see the finish line.

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And then right after the finish line,

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you know, it's a t a t intersection

and riders have to go left and right.

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And then there's, you know, photographers

and so on.

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You're standing there,

you know, it's been like this for forever.

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And I think the attitude of the rider.

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Yeah,

I have to totally agree with what you said

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is, you know, the respecting

the peloton has to come back.

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you know, it's it's

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it's not all or nothing

to, to get to that turn first.

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But you know, it's it's some of the,

you know, it's the social media,

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it's the streaming, you know,

everybody's sees what that rider did

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or did not do much more

than when you and I were racing.

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So they feel obligated, like,

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I don't want this video to show

that I didn't do my job.

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So I'm going to do

whatever it takes to get there.

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And, you know, like Sean said,

you have 25 teams

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listening to the same instructions

and it's just not safe.

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I definitely agree.

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We need to limit the amount of,

motorcycles

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and, and cars in the peloton.

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I don't know if you ever had to do it,

you know, but when when I retired

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and became a race coach in kind of seconds

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passing, that peloton was terrible.

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I don't think, you know, we go to the UCI,

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we take the UCI course,

we learn how to pass the peloton.

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But these days,

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I mean, with the roads so narrow,

so many people on the side of the road,

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you know, the riders five, six, ten

abreast, sometimes it's super dangerous.

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So if we can limit the amount of traffic

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of, of excess vehicles,

I think that would help.

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But, overall, we just have to realize

that, you know, the road infrastructure

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is probably going to get more

and more rather than less and less.

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And yes, our,

our sport is from point A to point

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B, that's why they call it

the tour de France, the Giro d'Italia, the

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the Vuelta a Espana is

you want to see the whole country.

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The country wants to show off,

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you know, all, all of its little different

provinces and stuff like that,

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you know, doing, doing circuit races

all the time or criterium or laps,

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I think is great for TV, but

it takes a little bit away from the sport.

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So unfortunately I don't think there's

any really easy answer out there.

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And if there was,

I think we would have found it already.

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Well, here's

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one easy one, which it's

going to make you smile.

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The race should only happen

if the race organizer,

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the UCI comes here and the main sponsor

would send their own child down that road.

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If you go.

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Yeah, I would send my daughter,

my son down there in the peloton,

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then we can do it if they would go,

no, I don't want my child

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to race on this road,

then we shouldn't race on it.

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Pretty simple.

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I know it's been never happened,

but I like to separate solutions.

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But, you know,

we want to see shorter races.

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We want to see more action.

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You know, those days of,

you know, 5 or 6 days a row in a row

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in the tour de France, ending in

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bunch sprints, you know, riding at 30

K an hour into the last hour.

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that's over.

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so I think

the riders need to be able to adapt and,

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and give a little bit

more space to each other,

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you know, not so cutthroat and,

and have these finishes,

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especially the finishes be a little bit

more straightforward.

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But, you know, they always want to finish

in the middle of the town or,

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you know, in front of,

a sponsor building.

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And that's difficult.

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But, you know, taking out

some of that road furniture,

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you know, for the Grand Tours,

they they do a pretty good job of that.

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But for the smaller tours,

you see guys, you know,

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having to dodge, you know, road

furniture in the last kilometer.

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And that's just, unfortunately,

I don't see that that changing.

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It has to come from from the riders

and the respect they have for each other.

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another question here.

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sort of following on again from Sean,

Elly Avila on Facebook said,

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there seems to be

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a lot more American pros,

at the moment more than in recent memory.

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Is there any specific reason for this?

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I love the international aspect

of the sport, but it's also nice to see

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more talented American riders as well.

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Yeah, I mean, it's true,

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we're seeing a real,

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a real rejuvenation of American riders

in the pro peloton,

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and they all have their different way

of getting there.

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I think one of the common denominators

are these development teams,

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like, action, like the old Lux team.

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It's giving riders a little bit

more of a practice couple of years,

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you know, in that under 23 category

so that they can go over there.

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You know, they've been in Europe.

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They maybe learn the language already.

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it's unfortunately not coming

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from the race calendar

over here in America.

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you know, we have a lot of gravel events,

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quite a few criterium and very,

very few stage races.

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So I think the riders

in the American riders

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in the peloton right now are, are,

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are spoiling

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us with the amazing results

that they're having.

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But when you look

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at the population of our country,

we should actually have even, even more.

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I know that USA cycling is doing

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as good as they can, but, you know,

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the budget just isn't there

to get these kids over to Europe.

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school comes into, count these

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a lot of these riders are being forced

to go online to, to finish their schooling

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so that they can get over

and exposed to, to European racing.

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But we are definitely in a purple

patch with, so many Americans,

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you know, fighting for, for wins,

not only in Grand Tours

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but classics and, and,

you know, one week stage races.

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So for me as a fan, especially of American

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cycling, it's been it's been fun to watch.

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It I believe it comes and goes in waves.

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For a while.

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It felt like

half of the peloton are Australians.

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They still there?

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They still good.

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But we have,

not only quite a few Americans,

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but also really good ones like Bobby

talked about it already, really good ones.

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So they make it easy to see them,

to notice them.

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And we had times where it felt like

telling

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for us to only left over American cyclist

for 1 or 2 years.

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There were not so many

for certain periods of time.

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But now, yeah, it is good and we hope

it keeps going like that for a while.

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But yeah, it just comes and goes in waves.

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Okay.

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here's one that you might have answered

in the past, but it's an interesting one.

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James Holloway asks

what was the hardest day

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on the bike in your professional career

related to the weather?

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Hot or cold? Rain, sleet or snow?

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for me, that's easy.

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You can you can think about it

for a minute, Bobby.

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For me, it's easy.

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It's got to be Tour of California.

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But it was still in February,

and we had a 220 kilometer stage

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that is 160 miles, maybe on a 665

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miles, down the Pacific Coast Highway.

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it finished in San Luis Obispo, I believe

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220 comes straight down

south, straight, full on headwind.

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My team back in the days, team CSC,

we were chasing the front group

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in the small chain ring 16-17.

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So we were doing basically 23

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miles an hour

chasing full gas to breakaway.

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That much headwind.

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And it was raining all the time,

about four degrees, whatever that is.

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In the funny

Fahrenheit, sinks you do over there.

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it took me 2 or 3 days to actually feel

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my fingertips again, duper numb

for at least two days.

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And funny enough,

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I know for a fact that Cadel Evans

was there.

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He would mention that day as well.

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There's a few of us.

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He would mention

exactly this day two of California.

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that long

stage in the hat went in the rain.

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It was just horrible.

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I was there with you as well.

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I remember that stage very well.

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So I'm not going to say the same,

even though.

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Yes, that's one of them.

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one of the most miserable stages for me

that I remember

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was, in the tour de France,

I believe it was in:

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it was the day that it was very,

very cold.

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That was the day the breakaway with Kiwi

left went up the road

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and got like 20 minutes or so

and we were freezing

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and I had a battle kit bag,

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you know, in my rain bag

I had like this Pearl Izumi rain jacket,

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which I only pulled out

if I absolutely needed it to survive.

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And remember, we're in the tour de France,

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and this Pearl Izumi

rain jacket was yellow.

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So I went back and put it on and I'm like,

okay, this is this is good.

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I'm going to be able to survive.

I'm going to be able to get through this.

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And then I got pulled back by our team

car saying,

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you cannot wear that color rain jacket

because it's yellow.

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And I told him,

I said, I am not taking this thing off.

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And we were on credit Agricole

at that time.

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So we had green.

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So I took a green vest

and put it over that yellow rain jacket

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and actually made it worse

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because when,

when you're, when you're cold

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and then you put too many layers

on, you get frozen

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from the inside out,

not only the outside in.

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And I remember trying to finish that stage

and it seemed like we had

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50 K to go, and everyone is freezing.

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And the break away was yet

didn't they finish 20

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or 25 minutes ahead of us that year?

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It was it was it was insane.

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So there was no impetus.

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There was no mental motivation.

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On top of that, all you could think about

was how cold you were.

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So yeah, it

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definitely number right up there

with one of the worst days on the bike,

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not only physically

but but but mentally having to struggle,

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struggle through the cold.

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I have a little short add on

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what state in a Basque country,

and it was so cold

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that I stopped in defeat zone

and my one year I came running.

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And what happened? You want to beat them?

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Like like like, you know, my teeth are,

like, shaking, like, no, I can't move.

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You got to put that rain jacket,

my gloves on me, I can't move.

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So I had two people putting a rain jacket

on me and my gloves over my fingers.

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And then I kept writing.

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They said, hey, you want to bet?

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And I'm like, no, but I cannot move.

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Help me get my clothes. It was just awful.

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Next question please.

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This is a message from Jay Kinsman.

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He says,

I would love to hear some specifics

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about how a stage is prepared

for a Grand Tour race,

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how many people are involved

in going over the lengthy course.

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So for a given day,

who decides what barriers are put up?

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Is there a vehicle that goes out an hour

in advance to look for new safety issues

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that might have arisen,

such as debris on the road, etc.? A

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street sweeping

machines used to clear a good

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path of the stage.

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I have no idea.

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we kind of take that for granted,

don't we?

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Jensie you don't think about,

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you know, all the work that goes into

setting up the stage of the Grand Tour.

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We just complain when when one barrier is

at a place or one, one turn isn't marked.

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I can't imagine the armada of people

that it would take

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not only to design the course,

but then go out and preview the course.

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Sign the course, barricade the course.

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Then you have to put in, take into account

the com banners,

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the sprint banners, the finish banners.

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I think it's a small city that

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that it would take to prepare

a stage of the Grand Tour.

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But as far as the specifics,

that's way out of my wheelhouse.

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I, I believe, the tour de France

being the biggest race.

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They ask for 3500 beds per night,

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so they move about 3500 people each day.

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Only 1500 roughly of them are journalist.

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From the little blogger to whatever,

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you know, GCN, NBC or Eurosport.

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So 1500 journalist, print media, radio,

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and I believe there's got to be

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an easy 200 people in the public caravan,

you know, start an hour before the bike

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race to try out little cookies

and little Haribos to the fans,

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sometimes to put up barriers

on a last climb, like five kilometers.

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The last five kilometers on each side.

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That's ten climbers of barriers.

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There's a special troop of that.

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They have these, I wouldn't

call them busses, kind of like trucks

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and they have in three layers

aboce each other.

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Little sleeping.

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basically it's it's like,

the size of a refrigerator

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where they sleep in,

and then you have two little small,

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tiny window, three on top of each other

and like ten lines deep.

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So it's like whatever, some 30 people

sleeping in that truck all day long,

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like vampires to come out in the afternoon

to break down the barriers,

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drive over night to the next finish,

and start at midnight at 2 a.m.

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at 1 a.m.

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to rebuild the city,

the finish structure.

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And then about six, seven,

eight and finish.

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They go to sleep in their little truck,

sleep all day again,

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and do that for three weeks.

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These guys are heroes.

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So there's a lot of people,

a lot of different jobs.

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I believe as the big boss in the morning,

you just call your little lieutenants

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Did you do your job?

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Did you do your job? Did you do your job?

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And they call their little sergeants

and the sergeants call the soldiers.

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If they did the job.

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So I think it's like a pyramid,

but it's impossible for one person

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to control all of it.

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I guess you got to have a bunch

of competent people around you

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to make everything happen.

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But yeah, it is the biggest circus

in the world, in other words.

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And one group of people

that we almost forgot about

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were all the gendarmes,

you know, the guys on the motorcycles,

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I mean, the fleet of gendarmes

that protect the riders.

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I mean, those guys travel for

for most of the tour as well.

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I mean, it, it

it is an absolute logistical nightmare.

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And, yeah, we should probably

take this time to thank those people

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for doing all that because they probably

never get thanked or rewarded.

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They only get yelled at

when when something goes wrong.

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Yeah.

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Following on from that, you said

the gendarmes, the tour de France,

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for example,

there are 28,000, gendarmes at that race.

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Just that race to follow it

all the way through.

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and you didn't mention

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my favorite group of people,

which are the people who, go along

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and make sure that the graffiti

on the road is, TV safe.

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So there are literally a team of people

that go along with a little graffiti gun,

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and they alter all the cocks

that they people draw on the road

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and turn them into flowers

and butterflies. It's amazing.

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Yeah.

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Anyway, they do have a team that controls

what is written on the roads.

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If it's too rough,

just painted over or changed the words

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a little bit so it wouldn't be that harsh.

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See, I've never I've never heard of that.

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So, how far ahead of the race are they?

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Because you can imagine, you know, if

if it's if the race caravan goes through

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and somebody sees it,

they can paint over it.

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But like, what's to keep them

from painting over it like ten minutes?

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You know, painting something,

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you know, defamatory five minutes

before the peloton gets there, like,

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where are these masked,

graffiti specialists?

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Whereabouts are they?

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I believe they are, as close

as they can to the head of the race,

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because what they want

is to hear the helicopter.

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do you know if the helicopter comes?

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The TV helicopter with the camera.

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They need to have everything repainted

before the helicopters there.

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So he just.

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Do you never go further then

he probably could hear the helicopter.

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So then there's very little time

between them safely over

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painting and the helicopter,

showing the perfect view

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of whatever's written on the streets.

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I learned something every day.

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I had no idea that there was

somebody whose job that was,

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amazing.

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This will be the last question, I think,

today, is from David Burkett via Twitter.

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And he said, I'd love to know

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what Bobby and Jens felt like

after riding a tour de France Queen stage.

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I've done long rides in the mountains

that leave with a headache.

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being so tired I can't sleep.

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Is it like that?

How do they ride the next day?

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Do you guys still feel the,

feelings and sensations of the same?

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in these days of shorter races?

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Oh, I mean, that's

two different scenarios.

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You know, when you're at the pointy end

of the race, you get done with the race

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and you're just rip roaring, ready to go

the next day.

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There's other days

that you finish in the grupetto ,

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and you hobble back to your room and,

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you know, just fall into your bed and and,

you know,

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hope that you don't have to wake up, but,

that that's,

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you know,

the sensations of finishing a queen stage,

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depend totally on your results,

on your team's results.

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You know,

if you did your job and your leader

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did well, the morale is great.

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But if everybody if your leader failed

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or if your whole team finished in the

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in the in the group with yourself,

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it's a pretty dreary moment.

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I remember one year,

specifically finishing,

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when I was racing for Team Telecom.

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I think we finished up in

Courchevel, and I was just,

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you know,

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finishing the group to,

get to the finish line.

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There's not much.

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I think there was one soigneur there,

and he's just like,

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yeah, you go down the road a little bit

and you'll see our hotel, which is,

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as you know, Jensie and you remember,

those were the worst directions ever.

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Like, you can't miss it.

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Like, yes,

I'm totally hypoglycemic right now.

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I cannot wait to get off this bicycle.

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You know, I'm gonna miss it.

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And of course I did.

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But, he gave me a hat and a water bottle.

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And when I got to the turn of the

what I thought was my hotel,

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I saw one of those, sausage stands,

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sausage and frit, vendor.

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And I stopped there, and I said, man,

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I just need to move down

one of these greasy sausages.

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Something for my morale,

because I'm so just over this

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race, and, I asked him for a sausage and,

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couldn't really communicate with him

very well at that time.

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So I took off my cap and my water bottle

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and kind of signed him,

you know, two sausages for this.

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And he said one, and that was fine.

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And I tell you, that was the best

sausage I ever ate in my life.

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like you

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just said, Bobby,

experiences are so different, right?

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If that us where, you know,

whatever it takes to take the jersey off

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stage when you're happy

and things seem to be easier.

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I remember one day I was on a break.

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I had to work so hard.

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And then, on the last climb

up to the, plateau to be,

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my team boss youngest came up, said,

hey, look, he isn't feeling well.

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He crashed.

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He is out.

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You're our third guy for the team. GC.

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You got to go full gas.

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But I had nothing left, so I worked

as hard as I could to get up there.

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And I remember

I just collapsed into the team car

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and said, okay, make it happen,

but I'm not moving from here.

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I sit here until I see the hotel.

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Whatever you need to do, do it.

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But I'm not moving any

where at all out of this car anymore.

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And I had my recovery drink

and I said, there's a

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whatever,

you know, sell my bike or whatever,

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but I'm not getting out of his car

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and, well, yet he drove me to the hotel

because I was so empty.

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But there's always light

at the end of the tunnel, right?

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And that's something you have to remember

when you're in a race.

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In the big race,

everybody hits the wall at least once.

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In a grand tour, you got to have teammates

to help you out of that hole.

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And there's always tomorrow.

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You somehow always can go again

the next day.

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Never lose face. It's never over.

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but yeah,

we had some hot moments as well.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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And I don't, I, you know,

we were teammates for a long time.

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I had a lot of other teammates

over my career, but

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man, I never saw anyone

that would be glued to their bed.

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Absolutely.

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Just shattered

because I would wake up and go down

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and have breakfast

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a little bit earlier, and I'd look over

and you would just be a mess,

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and I would be coming up from breakfast

and you'd just be going down

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kind of in a panic,

you know, the last person to eat.

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And then somehow

you went from being that comatose

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cadaver

on the bed to becoming all of a sudden,

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you know, when the bell rang,

you were just right back on it.

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It blew me away.

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There was so many times where I was like,

guys, Jens, Jens is dead.

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Like he's done.

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And then you were

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the first one in the breakaway every day

that you used to use to crack me.

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How could somebody be that tired?

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And that just bloodshot

eyes, sweaty, puffy face

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and then get getting into the race

and be the first in the breakaway.

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So, I do not miss those days.

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Jensie.

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Not one more one.

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No. Yep.

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Not at all. Hahahahaha.

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All right, my folks.

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That's it for our first episode.

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Mailbag episode. Right?

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Yeah. Keep them coming.

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We're going to try this out.

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You know, we're, we're a new, podcast

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funded by our listeners and sponsors.

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So, you know, we're going to roll

with this and see how it goes.

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And I hope you guys enjoy it.

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Bobby Julich and Jens Voigt are back with a brand new cycling podcast. Speaking to the biggest names in the professional peloton and sharing their wisdom from their own careers.